Meditation & Mindfulness from a Spiritual Master: A Conversation with Samy Chong

In this episode, Brian Beckcom speaks with Master Certified Life Coach Samy Chong about meditation and mindfulness. Brian and Samy discuss meditation techniques that can help people manage stress and anxiety during turbulent times.

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They discuss:

• The power of a child’s intuition and how a couple of heartfelt letters from his children influenced Samy to find his life’s true calling
• The “Inner World” vs. the “Outer World”
• The Stepping Stones of Success: Purpose, Passion, Pain, and Priority    
• The things we can all do to cope with the stress and anxiety of the COVID-19 pandemic
• Being “too” busy: the difference between working in the business vs. working on the business
• The importance of building a clear vision and avoiding “mental loops”
• How to leverage the power of good intentions and visualization
• And other topics

Samy Chong was born in Malaysia and immigrated to Canada at the age of twelve. Samy grew to become one of Toronto’s most successful restaurateurs before selling his business in 2001. Samy is now devoted to “living a life of his own design” and is helping others do so as a Master Certified Life Coach.

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[00:00:00] Brian Beckcom: [00:00:00] Hey, Brian Beckcom. I'm here at VB attorneys and I've got Samy Chong on the podcast. As I explained in the introduction, Samy is a master certified coach. I kind of, when I think about Samy and then Sam has been my personal coach for going on, I think three years now. But when I think of Samy, I think of Sam, he is kind of, you know, for lack of a better term, a life coach.

[00:00:23] And so Samy you're in, are you in Vancouver right 

[00:00:26] Samy Chong: [00:00:26] now? All boats, they got the right country. I mean, Toronto, 

[00:00:31] Brian Beckcom: [00:00:31] Toronto. Okay. Stupid Americans. We don't, we just think there's this big country up there called Canada.  so anyway, Samy,  well, thanks for coming on.  you, you,  you have helped me in many ways, big and small, probably in some ways that you don't even know about with.

[00:00:53]  in my personal life, dealing with some, some situations I've had that have caused me some [00:01:00] anxiety and some things that maybe have,   made it to where I had some roadblocks and some of the things I wanted to do personally and professionally, and, and you really have helped me clear those roadblocks.

[00:01:11] So one of the things I wanted to get you on a podcast for is for your coaching and your thoughts on how people can deal with. Anxiety, stress, depression, difficult time that the, the difficult times we're living in. But before we get into that,  and I want to talk about your background and I want you to tell people where you're from, but before we get into that, do you mind leading us on a short meditation?

[00:01:40] Samy Chong: [00:01:40] Absolutely. Yes. So if you guys are already, if you're not familiar with meditation, just allow your curiosity and just allow your spine to your new reality to follow. So if you can close your eyes, [00:02:00] imagine if there was a string at the top of your head being pulled so that your spine is nice and straight.

[00:02:08] And if you can make sure your feed is flat on the ground, that's how the energy travel from the top of your head, what we call your crown chakra to the spine and the base of your root chakra. As you begin to breathe, see if it can take. Five long seconds to breathe into your, through your nose.

[00:02:41] And then we're willing to out through your mouth again, see if he can take five long seconds to breathe out through your mouth.

[00:02:55] As you begin to quiet yourself. You're going to be aware of maybe [00:03:00] some noises and maybe the fridge is humming in the background, or maybe you have different thoughts that come into your mind's eye. Just gently bring your awareness back to this breathing again in breath, five seconds.

[00:03:22] Oh, breath through your mouth. Again, five seconds

[00:03:32] as you breathe in fuel, the air's going the top of your lips into your nose and then into the back of your head somewhere and feel it traveled through your throat. H witness your chest, perhaps your stomach expanding.

[00:03:56] And as you breathe out, notice your chest and your [00:04:00] stomach cavity is full. Jen, really? We the breath through your throat, your mouth, and feel the warm air coming out of your mouth.

[00:04:14] With goodness to stay in this place for three in breath, I have three breath begin now in breath.

[00:05:00] [00:04:59] You're welcome to come back and open your eyes. Thank you for allowing me to do that. Exercise 

[00:05:06] Brian Beckcom: [00:05:06] Samy. Thank you. Now I got to tell you, man, 10 years ago, I would have thought that anybody that would have done that, especially in public was insane. I have since changed my mind about that and have,  and I, I will say.

[00:05:24] Without any hesitation. Meditation is the best thing I've ever done in my adult life. So we're for sure going to talk about meditation, mindfulness, stuff like that. But before we do that, tell the listeners who you are, where you're from and what you do. 

[00:05:39] Samy Chong: [00:05:39] Samy Chung is from a little country in the far East called Malaysia, 12 years old, immigrated to Canada.

[00:05:47] And this is my home in Toronto ever seen him. I think for the first part of my life, 40 years or so 42 to be exact, I was a restauranteur. I [00:06:00] read some of the most fun business on what I call young street in Toronto, which is our main street, which is also the longest street in the world where I set some pretty serious record for the 20 years I was in that business.

[00:06:16] We grew every year from 11 to 44% nonstop toward the end. I took off almost a week a month, which is unheard of in the business. I think to what the end. I also realized that the gift of running a restaurant catering company, where we did sales proceeds, that was. In a top, literally the top, very small percentile that was able to do do that.

[00:06:47] So the type of revenue, the type of lifestyle allowed me to understand that my gifts could be used for something else. I just didn't know what it was. Okay. Teal, [00:07:00] 2001, I took my daughter who was 13 years old and my son who was nine years old to New York city for March break, we had a great week. Took the train there, took the train back by the time we get home, it was a long day.

[00:07:19] I left him at the apartment because the restaurant was underneath where I worked and, but make sure the restaurant was checked in. Well, I joked them from my wonderful previous wife notice. I do say those things with. Passion and love wonderful previous wife. And by the time I come home, it was very, very late in the evening.

[00:07:42] I opened my bedsheets cover. The 13 year old daughter basically wrote me a couple page of letter. And that letter is on my website. Basically. She says that, what are you doing? You love helping [00:08:00] people. There's a spiritual side of you. And I also realize that my time with the restaurant it's coming to an end, I will tell you, Brian, I kneel, I cry.

[00:08:13] My son was nine years old, right? The little card that says, I love you. He would hide them every way in the apartment. These two kids was giving me energy. So that was March, 2001. By May 31st. I sold my restaurant to my accountant, who did my book the last 20 years, who knows intimate detail of, but financial and so on and so forth.

[00:08:39] Look what happened. I listen to a 13 year old messaged that year nine 11 happened. SARS Matt cow, follow. If there ever was a time to sell the business. That was the time. [00:09:00] Yeah. That money. I didn't know what I was going to do. I just realized that this was the right thing to follow my intuitions. And somebody basically asked me to take a coaching course.

[00:09:14] The first course of this school that I went into, literally I knew I was home. I knew that was part of my destination, part of what I needed to do. 

[00:09:25] Brian Beckcom: [00:09:25] Well, the wisdom of children remained strong even today. It it's amazing how wise kids can be. And I don't know all the reasons for that, but maybe part, well, one of the reasons is as kids, we don't, as kids have all this.

[00:09:42] Emotional mental, psychological baggage that we have when we're adults and kids are also in my experience, they tend to be a lot more honest, especially honest with, with negative news or bad news in adults.  and so they don't sugar coat things as much. So Samy, you, you became [00:10:00] a full time coach and it was 2001.

[00:10:06] Okay.  so tell us. A little bit about, like, for instance, when you and I first got together, we w we first got together about three years ago and it took I'm 47 now. So I think I was 40, either 44, 45 at the time. And I think I told you a couple of months ago, man. I had known about you when I was in my mid thirties, but I was way too immature to appreciate meditation and mindfulness at the time.

[00:10:32] And now I, I believe meditation and mindfulness is. Literally the number one most important thing that any adult can do in the world for their,  emotional and mental health. So tell us, before we get to talking about meditation and mindfulness, Samy, tell us about kind of the arc of your career as a master certified 

[00:10:54] Samy Chong: [00:10:54] coach.

[00:10:56] In Canada, there's only about 50 [00:11:00] people that are certified under that designation. Yeah. In the U S I think there's about 2300 people and there's many other coaches and whatnot. There's very few that earn that designation. I think that the minimum required hours of coaching is about 3000 hours. Plus you have the right exam.

[00:11:22] You have to let people. Listen to your call provided the client, allowed that just to get into and arena where we are government governed by the body called international coaching Federation. So the requirement is pretty strict as of this last year. With, I'm probably touching just under 10,000 hours of coaching right now.

[00:11:50] So there isn't much story about an entrepreneur, especially in the legal field, what they go through, what their struggle with the challenge. [00:12:00] And most importantly, how to design a life that you want to live. Another word I've been very privileged. Using all the tools that I've learned throughout the years to design a life that I want, whether it's the Island that I'm at right now, I call it inspiration Island or the place I live.

[00:12:25] I really live a life of my design. So the MCC, the master certified coach,  very few people have earned it and it is a pretty, a strict requirement for us to get 

[00:12:36] Brian Beckcom: [00:12:36] there. So Samy let's, let's get right into it because,  you know, you you've been my personal coach for three years now. You've helped me personally and with my business.

[00:12:49] And I remember the first call we had, I, I actually started crying and. And I, and so I called my friend Ben glass, who had said, you got it. Cause I had [00:13:00] called Ben and said, I know your coaching was Samy. Would you recommend it? And he goes, absolutely. So, so Ben was the one that really pushed me to it. But anyway, I called Ben afterwards.

[00:13:08] I said, man, Ben, what a great recommendation. I started crying during the call. And Ben said, yeah, I did too. In my first call was Samy. And I think Samy, that was because, and I don't know if this is your style with everybody, but.  w in our sessions, at least what we started with is we started with the personal stuff, and then we moved to the professional stuff.

[00:13:31] And so, for example, my mother died when I was 10. And you and I talked about that in the first call. And there were some things that, that I needed to work on before I could be professionally successful. I had to get my personal life,  squared away. So talk a little bit, if you don't mind about. When you're coaching somebody and, and trying to get them better professionally, why you start with getting your personal [00:14:00] house in order?

[00:14:01] Samy Chong: [00:14:01] Thank you for the question, how I would respond to your question is this. Everything in this outside wall starts from the inner world. If your inner world is not at peace, if you're in a world is not in, I call a state of grace. What you create? Outer it mirror. What? In the world? Oh, it is within the, in the world.

[00:14:31] I wrote a book with dr. Deepak Chopra, Jack Canfield. And dr. Dennis Whitley. My portion of that book was what are the stepping stones to success. And I break it down into four P purpose, pain, passion, and priority. Every human being, every soul that comes to this earth has a purpose. [00:15:00] Chris, most of us go through life.

[00:15:03] Don't know what that is. Our purpose. Don't have to be like Muhammad Gundy or be like, most of the Teresa you're doing the podcast is part of your purpose. This is your number nine and you love it. You enjoy it. And I know without a fact, one listener or more, at least I'm going to be touched by what you do.

[00:15:23] That's part of the purpose. I remember reading something about this orderly in a hospital when us. Why do you do what you do? He says when I we'll somebody from the bed to the operation room or to the actuary or to wherever I have a window of this much minutes or time to make them happy to make them joyful or to hold their hand, or just not saying anything to simply be with [00:16:00] them.

[00:16:00] That's his purpose. That's his why? So if you want to read more on that, Simon Sinek got a book. Call the power of why or, Mmm. That's a wonderful folk for you too. I understand. Why do you do what you do? So that's purpose. Passion. Most of us have passion inside us that hasn't been released. That's why a lot of time, a lot of people go through what I call midlife crisis.

[00:16:30] Why we're all human being, having a spiritual experience, my bad we're all spiritual beings. Having a human experience, not human being, having a spiritual experience. Who's talking now who's listening. Now. It's a spirit that spirit, that essence can never, ever die as a spirit. Each of us comes to this earth for [00:17:00] certain things.

[00:17:01] One of them is how to live a full life. What is that? What's the passion. What is it that you love that you wanted to do? Lots of people say, I want to write a book. I want to travel this, but most people never actually do it. So we have purpose. We have passion, we have pain. There was some residual amount of things with the, with your mother's passing that you were still hanging on.

[00:17:33] We all have that somewhere. If you don't figure out a way to look at it with the right or lens that glasses that you wear. Actually hold you back. So as you clean and cleanse these three PS, it allows you to see, respond to the world very [00:18:00] differently. And the last one is what I call priorities with so many things coming to what us, every single day.

[00:18:09] So many stimulus as I walk out of the subway of my. We're on tour transit system, even in between the steps there's marketing message. Remember every message you read, everything. You hear, you have the process. It. If you don't find a way to prioritize or calm your mind, which is what mindfulness is. You are constantly thinking reacting and always trying to figure out how to deal with all this demo.

[00:18:47] Yeah. And mass, why most people cool living this life today, getting very stressed. You add the pandemic on top of that. And the [00:19:00] future and all those thoughts. You've got the recipe for a lot of people mentally, emotionally struggling during this time. 

[00:19:08] Brian Beckcom: [00:19:08] And we're going to talk specifically during this podcast, I hope about what you and I are personally doing to help us cope with the stress and the additional anxiety of the pandemic, but two points I want to.

[00:19:21] Pick up on there real quick, Sam, you talked about purpose and I'm probably going to mess the story up a little bit, but I think I've got the general point, correct? It were you, you were talking about a purpose and it reminded me of the story. I think it was about, there were three brick layers and they were building a church and they asked the first brick layer, what are you doing?

[00:19:42] And he said, I'm laying bricks. And they asked the second brick layer. What are you doing? He said, I'm building a building and asked a third brick layer. What are you doing? And he said, I'm building a house to worship the Lord God for the next 500 years, who do you think had real purpose [00:20:00] in their life? Who do you think was really enjoying their job?

[00:20:03] So, so that kind of reminded me of that story. If you think what you're doing is putting bricks down, you're going to have one idea about your job. And if you think you're building a structure, that's going to last for 500 years. Wow. Thousands of people to get closer to God, you're going to have a different feeling obviously about your work.

[00:20:22] And then the second thing Samy that you talked about is this constant stimulation. And nowadays with screens and stuff like that, that is been,  essentially accelerated times 10. And you know, it kind of reminds me of,  you know, our minds are designed by evolution. To assume that things are scary, assume that things are bad.

[00:20:46] So for instance, when you're walking down, out in the woods or something, and out of the corner of your eye, you see a stick. A lot of the times, your mind is going to think it's a snake first, because your mind is programmed to look for the bad [00:21:00] thing to protect you. But it's like the Buddhist saying what often happens is.

[00:21:06] We figuratively. We think we see the snake. And so we were we're afraid or we're anxious and we jumped back and then we realized it wasn't a snake, but we still had the exact same experience as if it would have been a snake. And then, and then some people have,  problems. I actually, all of us have problems to one extent or the other.

[00:21:29] Of of letting go of that fear response that we just had. So there's a great book on this called why don't zebras get the blues or something like that. And the basic idea is, you know, zebra gets chased by a lion and escapes. He's not thinking about that line two days later, you know, he forgets about it.

[00:21:49] So talk a little bit about let's, let's talk a little bit about the four pillars that you were talking about. Maybe we can take those in order. Let let's talk about. Purpose [00:22:00] first, like how do you recommend people go about going go, go about either finding or creating their purpose. 

[00:22:11] Samy Chong: [00:22:11] So if you know what a Venn diagram is, think of three circle where the middle meats and that's your calling or your purpose, the first circle right down.

[00:22:27] Without hesitation without restriction. What is it that you would love to do? You never, ever have to worry about money ever worry about paying a bill, whether it's travel with this photography with it's either just write it all out in circle. Number one, circle. Number two. What it's the greatest need of our will today?

[00:22:54] I'm the youngest baby boomer because I'm 60 years. No, we are going to tweet. We were [00:23:00] traveling. We were doing a lot of cruise. Now, everything has shifted and changed because now that's an incubator for this virus. So what is it that. That the world needs more of my lower mobility. We'll probably going to go first.

[00:23:16] So we need to design things that help me walk, climb upstairs and whatnot. So write down from your perspective, what you see with your eyes glasses. What's the greatest need of our world today. Spirituality is a huge need. And what I mean by spirituality is this deeper conversation, these deeper connection with one soul to another soul.

[00:23:43] So another word look around you with your eyes. What can you see the wound needs from your perspective? Circle number three. That's where the money equation comes back. What and where [00:24:00] will people pay you to do what you do? So if you like to photograph and do very interesting photograph, they are a website that can upload your stuff in which people will pay for that.

[00:24:13] So another word, yup. Basic building block of finding your purpose is to map out what you love to do. What's the meat of our war. And if you need money, where does the money come from in that tiny circle? It's with your bliss or your passion to do it, your purpose. Now, the other modality to get into what your purpose is.

[00:24:41] We are as coaches, we're trained to help you carve out your life purpose statement, but, you know, Google. How do I carve out find my purpose? I'm I can tell you you're going to find a lot of different 

[00:24:56] Brian Beckcom: [00:24:56] and one important point that I want people to really [00:25:00] understand, because it wasn't until I was in my, probably about my mid thirties, that I really started thinking about this and maybe getting some understanding of it.

[00:25:09] And you talk about it. Ben glass talks about it. A lot of people that have been very successful talking about it, and it's this idea. If you don't plan your life, if you don't plan your purpose, if you're not deliberate about it, then somebody is going to plan it for you essentially. Like if you don't take the time and this was, I think this was probably the biggest insight I got from Ben glass design your life before you design.

[00:25:37] Your business, what do you want your life to look like? And then design everything around that? I think what a lot of people do, some people, because they don't have as much freedom in their job as others. But what some people will do is they'll, they'll design their life around their job instead of their job around their life.

[00:25:57] And so to me [00:26:00] right now, when people are, I'm sure there's a lot of people that are going to be listening that are either furloughed. Or they've been laid off permanently, or they're just worried about their company, maybe there's business owners that are worried about their company. And,  I'm here to tell everybody that what Sam is talking about in terms of design and your purpose is absolutely crucial because if, if you don't do it, matter of fact, I have a little note in my journal that I look at almost every day that says, if you don't design your life, somebody else is going to.

[00:26:30] And so I think that's a really good,  comment there, Samy, and they, you know, the other thing is. Speak to this. If you don't mind, once you've identified whatever your purpose is, it doesn't have to say the same for your entire life. I mean, it's not like you can't change. I mean, right now there's going to be a lot of people that are going to have to change given what we're going through.

[00:26:51] So talk about that a little bit. If you don't mind. 

[00:26:55] Samy Chong: [00:26:55] So I just want to add a little piece of about designing your life. If you Google, [00:27:00] what mind map is it literally is using a software to dump your thinking brain onto the map. In my mind map, I've mapped out my entire life. What? Okay. Perfect. Life is for me.

[00:27:16] What kind of car, I want to dry the place. I want to live the kind of relationship I want to add. What kind of relationship with every single one of my siblings? I wrote out my relationship that I want with my grandkids before my kids was even married. Wow. Why the power of this universe is like you said, if you don't design your life, if you're not queer, then any thing, well, come to

[00:27:51] The most powerful story I remember is Jack. The rabbit comes to this fork in the road in know way to go. Obviously I asked his best [00:28:00] friend a total, which way total says, where are you going? Jack said, I don't know, total set. That doesn't matter what truck you go. Yeah. When I wrote down my relationship with my grandchildren, it was the.

[00:28:16] I know I'm aging myself. I already told you I'm 60 back then. There was a, the courtship of Eddie's father, where it was a story of a boy, grandfather, father, and the son, the temperament, the patient the grandfather had for the grandson. That was my vision. That's what I write down. This is not a small thing.

[00:28:39] What you just explained, and I'm about to answer your question. Coming to Canada at 12 years old, I came from a village that still had an outhouse three years ago when I took my son back to Malaysia. I wonder him to see that your [00:29:00] lifestyle, that you're living under your father's room, that's the beginning.

[00:29:05] So when I had my first job, which I lie about my age at 14, telling them I was 16, I still remember my manager says to you, can you reach the sprayer for the restaurant dishes? I jumped up, I say, yes. From there onward, a couple of years later, I started to have a vision of what my restaurant was. White tablecloth, romantic music, Kendall lights, great food.

[00:29:36] Everything in this life begins with that vision, the clearer, your vision, the more emotion you put in it. I can see. What restaurant looks like. I can see how people, when they finish what they feel like. That's why the restaurant business was such a success, because it was one of the most [00:30:00] romantic restaurant where people came in.

[00:30:02] Those people did like hidden camera,  put ring in. Is it like with so many fun things? Why. Everything begins with the vision. My invitation to listen to is during this time, as bleak as your outlook is, this is what miracle is by having a vision. What's your perfect career look like? How much money do you want to make of your life?

[00:30:34] Most of us sad to say, just like in business, we are always working. In the business, not on the business. If you don't work, if you're constantly the minute the alarm clock rings to the time you go to bed, you're always busy, busy. You have no time  vision. This is why Napoleon Hill one of the greatest self help book of [00:31:00] the century, if you will.

[00:31:04] Okay. And grow rich. It didn't say, do and grow rich. What do we do every day? We're so busy doing worrying. We don't realize the power of this visioning process, how it gets to where it is. That's the process from that little boy to where I am today is because everything in my life, I write it out. I vision it.

[00:31:30] I see myself just like, if you guys and see. Wow. Would it be East on this inspiration Island? I can literally house eight couples. You're with your family. It's a vision. It started that. I want to use this place. Yeah. Entertain people. I care about that. I love that's the power of that vision and that purpose that would.

[00:31:59] Brian Beckcom: [00:31:59] That's [00:32:00] that's a, that's awesome Samy. And so as, as we go through this,  call today, I want to kind of take it step by step a little bit. So people that are listening can understand kind of how you and I would attack the situation, this pandemic that we're going through right now. And so the very first thing we did on the podcast is we did a little meditation to kind of prepare ourselves for the talk.

[00:32:24]  that we were, that we were about to have, but not number one is you've got to, you've got to think about and plan your purpose. It's not, in other words, it's just not going to happen by accident. And one of the things that you and I talked about a couple of months ago, and one of our calls, Sam, and one of our private calls was I think I told you that I had stopped, you know, for many, many years I would sit down at the end of the year.

[00:32:50] I would review how I did. And then I would plan out my new year's resolutions and I'd stopped doing that for a number of years because I never [00:33:00] succeeded. I mean, they never, they never seemed to happen. And I realized this year, and this year I'm doing 30 day challenges. So it's a little bit different than new year's resolutions, but I've also got some goals and some principles I thought about this year and the point is not.

[00:33:17] That you have to succeed every single goal or resolution you sent that you said that is not the point. The point I think is these goals. This purpose that we're talking about, it gives you a compass. It gives you a direction away to point. And so for instance, if you want to start meditating more. You don't have to have a new year's resolution to meditate for 20 minutes every day, because most beginning meditators, that's going to be impossible.

[00:33:47]  so start with one minute, start, start small. But what that will do is that will get your oriented towards meditation and starting a meditation practice and being mindful. So the idea about planning, all [00:34:00] this stuff for the people that are listening is not that you're going to succeed in every single thing you do.

[00:34:04] As a matter of fact, That would be incredibly boring if you really think about it. I mean, failures are part of life. Failures are what make life fun failures are what,  in problems, if there were no problems to solve, life would be about as boring as it can get. But, but anyways, so step one is purpose.

[00:34:24] Step two is passion. So let's talk a little bit about the passion piece of this Samy. 

[00:34:30] Samy Chong: [00:34:30] So I also want to acknowledge people on this call. Some of them may not half a future because the employer is probably not going to be able to do justice. There are real pain, real challenge out there. So part of talking about passion is, is I don't remember kneeling beside my wonderful previous wife while we were still married.

[00:34:56] And I didn't have the money to bring in grocery because [00:35:00] we were just starting a business and I can still remember how, where it was that the future was so bleak. So part of the invitation about this meditation and this mindfulness conversation we're having is you can never find solution when your mind is too busy.

[00:35:22] You can never be creative when there's too much stuff going into your mind. This is why part of the invitation during this time, if you're further along or if you some time, or like you say, start with something more every day, they just take a little journal out to say, what does perfect life look like?

[00:35:40] What passion means to me, if I have a magic wand, what would I love to do? Remember? When I vision that restaurant, when I vision place that I live today, when I visioned this inspiration [00:36:00] Island, if you will, my best friend standing next to me, and I tell you my vision, you would think I'm crazy. This is the power of living that purpose fool.

[00:36:14] Hashing that life, because you know, when people are passionate, it's infectious, when you do things that doesn't inspire you, it actually, your soul is actually like a rape slowly being in the fridge for too long. It shrivel. The power of inspiration, the power of living this passion, you're gonna attract more and more of the things that you have vision that you want, but this is why it's not an accident.

[00:36:48] Maybe this pandemic allowing you to slow down to plan so that you can speed up again. This is why it is so crucial. [00:37:00] Like you said, start with one minute, start with two minutes. Meditation. Doesn't have to be just what I taught you. Golfing is a form of meditation. Martial art is a form of meditation. For those of you that are runners.

[00:37:17] You know, when you get into that zone, that's meditation. Gardening kneeling, walking with the that's beautiful. Okay. It's a form of meditation. So find ways to calm your mind because that's how creativity is going to spark in you live, whatever that passion, whatever that purpose 

[00:37:45] Brian Beckcom: [00:37:45] beautifully stated. You know, another form of meditation is prayer.

[00:37:49] Prayer is another form of meditation it, and just to be clear, I think, and I'm speaking from personal experience because when I first started meditating, before I meditated, [00:38:00] I thought meditation was a bunch of woo woo. Spiritual nonsense. Right. I was, you know, had one of those logical minds, it just sit there and do nothing for five.

[00:38:10] I mean, what good could that possibly do? And. I was going through some hard times. And,  so I've, I frankly got just lucky. I read a book called 10% happier by an NBC newscaster who had a panic attack on national TV. And then he started meditating and he was a very skeptical guy. And the way he wrote the book was as a skeptic of meditation, like he didn't believe it either.

[00:38:37] He thought it was a bunch of nonsense, just like I did, but when he did it, he found. Out how powerful it was. And one of the misconceptions I think people have about meditation, at least, I know I did is when you start meditating, you stop your thoughts. And once you start meditating, you very quickly realize that that's impossible.

[00:38:57] You can't stop your thoughts, your thoughts, your [00:39:00] brain is constantly generating thoughts. And I don't care if you're an expert meditator, that's still going to happen. That's the way your brain is designed. But so meditation is not about, at least in my view, stopping your thoughts. It's not about some sort of Lulu spirituality or, but of course it could be if you wanted it to meditation, to me is more about taking these mental loops that we all have in our heads.

[00:39:26] And if you're listening to this and you don't think you have mental loops in your head, you have a mental loop in your head. Everybody it's biologically and scientifically. 100% of people in the world have these mental lubes and what meditation. One of the things that meditation does is it allows you to identify those mental loops as mental loops and not.

[00:39:51] What we tend to do is we tend to these thoughts that we have. We tend to believe that these thoughts are us. Like what our brain is thinking is actually us [00:40:00] and meditation gives us some distance between these thoughts. And what is actually happening in reality. So speak to that a little bit, if you don't mind, 

[00:40:09] Samy Chong: [00:40:09] Samy, so you are really on the right track about what meditation is.

[00:40:16] Here's how I add to what you've just said. Imagine an airplane that has two propeller one propeller is what we use our brain for. The other propeller, which we don't use very often. It's part of this. What I call meditation process the airplane with one engine can actually take off and land with almost a full load, but that one engine is screaming his lungs off.

[00:40:53] I talked to you that we are all spiritual being, having a human experience. Not the other way around the biblical verse [00:41:00] actually says very clearly we are in this world, but not of this tool. So when we only use this five senses our brain to solve our challenge, to move our life forward, we're using one modality.

[00:41:15] Yeah. Are the mortality, this other. What I call engine that we hardly use is this quietness of the mind? What does that mean? On a given day, we have 30 to 50,000 thoughts that go through our mind. The loop that you're talking about. When you can't sleep, the loop is really, really clear. You have this bot and then you have this monkey thought and then this monkey fuck.

[00:41:45] And then when you finish the last time, it just never, ever, and all meditation does is between this thought and this thought there's a gap space. The gap, [00:42:00] the loop will continue with more. Yeah. Why is that important? Melville says it God's one and only voice it's through silence. Why is that silence important?

[00:42:13] If there wasn't silence between two meals, zip code notes, there would be no music. It's the space between the two bar that keeps the lion from eating you the challenge with the 30 to 50,000 thoughts that go through in our head every day, Brian is. The old judgment. Every one of those is judgment. Oh, look at the way he drives.

[00:42:40] Oh, look at the way they eat. Look at the way how messy he is. Oh, look at the weight. We're constantly judging with constantly using this mind for that purpose. What meditation does is allow you to have the space. [00:43:00] That's when creative download. That's why one of my most powerful prayers, if you believe in that is leading guide.

[00:43:10] I surrender allowing the spirit, the other engine of this airplane to use its infinite source. To help me do this. That's the power of this balance of using this meditative method to go. The more I'm center, despite the out circumstances, despite the full long bite what's going on. I know there's an answer.

[00:43:37] I just know that I need to stay in that space. That's why I've always said worry is praying for things you don't want or is a prayer. How do we change and use that space eight of state to really visioning what is our purpose? [00:44:00] What is our passion? What is a perfect light looks? 

[00:44:04] Brian Beckcom: [00:44:04] Yeah. Great, great thoughts there.

[00:44:05] I, you know, I'm reminded of the famous quote by Mark Twain and he said, I'm an old man and I have known many sorrows. Most of which never happened. And the point he was trying to illustrate there is just in particularly nowadays during this pandemic, a lot of us are probably me included thinking about all the bad things that could happen.

[00:44:29] All the people that could get sick, what's going to happen with my job. All those are projecting thoughts into the future. None of those things have ever happened, but because you're because I'm thinking about them and a lot of people were probably thinking those kinds of thoughts today. It's as if they are happening to you right now, there is basically no difference.

[00:44:49] If you're thinking about all these worries, some thoughts and actually experiencing the worrying events themselves. And so meditation allows [00:45:00] people. You're still gonna have those thoughts. Those thoughts are not going to go away, but it allows you to see them for what they are. Yes. 

[00:45:08] Samy Chong: [00:45:08] It's just 

[00:45:08] Brian Beckcom: [00:45:08] a bunch of.

[00:45:10] Not just, they're basically chemical signals in your brain and that's it. They're, they're not real. And so meditation gives you some space. The other thing meditation does, and this has been pretty powerful for me, Samy is if you tend to have strong emotions, strong emotions that you don't like strong negative emotions, like anger or sadness or things like that.

[00:45:33]  if you're, let's say you get angry. If you are mindful, if you recognize when you're angry, that you're angry, you can't stay angry anymore. The only way you can stay angry is by feeding a mental loop again and again, and again and again. And the only way I know of to break that pattern is through meditation.

[00:45:57] So Samy we've gotten off a little bit on meditation, [00:46:00] but. The,  I, I do want to talk about, so again, I'm sure there's a lot of people that are skeptical about meditation. Like I was, but there's a, there's another kind of meditation that I really, really liked that, that,  I would strongly recommend people try once I get into meditation and that's loving kindness, meditation, or what the Buddhist call Metta, Emmy TTA, Metta meditation.

[00:46:24] And so I'll describe what this is real quick. And then maybe I'll have you. Talk about it a little bit. It's essentially wishing other people, happiness, wishing people peace is wishing good things on other people. And when I first heard about this, I thought, Oh my gosh, this is so silly because the first time I did this meditation, the first thing I had to think about with somebody that I had a completely uncomplicated loving relationship, and there was no problems, I was thinking of my daughter and I was wishing her well.

[00:46:56] And it was very, very easy. Then you think of somebody [00:47:00] that you're neutral about and do the same thing. And then you think about somebody you really, really don't like. So I was thinking about like my worst enemies and you know, certain politicians that I don't like, and I'm sitting there wishing them well, wishing them peace, wishing them happiness and thanking God dang.

[00:47:16] At the same time, I can't believe I'm doing this, but amazingly Samy, what I found what's for the rest of the day. I would just be in a much happier, much better mood. It's almost like you're reprogramming your brain instead of thinking negative thoughts to think positive and loving thoughts. So talk a little bit about loving kindness and Metta meditation.

[00:47:39] Samy Chong: [00:47:39] Notice what you just said. You can stay mad angry of all of these judgment thought you have of all these people. That's all about you. When you learn to have more compassionate, practicing this matter of meditation, it's about them. [00:48:00] When you begin to focus on serving others. Giving others, whether it's through prayers, through thought it doesn't matter what it is.

[00:48:11] That's the power of you now actually elevate your cortisone in your, in your brain. It makes you feel good. Harboring judgment, nothing wrong with that. This is why I say all these are part of the stress that we'll go through having full 30 to 50,000 thoughts that we go through every day, Anne, because we have all these negativity going on, it affects our body.

[00:48:40] So a couple of things. Dr. Emoto wrote a book called message from water. You want to talk about the power of meditation, how it affects you? Basically what he did was he wrote the word love, put it on [00:49:00] top of a, you can have water. And he wrote the word hate, put it on top of a pan of water. And then he basically, but in the freezer, once water is frozen, he looking at the crystals and he analyze it.

[00:49:20] The one with the love, you can see how powerful our brilliant, the crystal of the water is. The one with the word hate, you could see yellowish. It's not perfect circle or not profit triangle. You can start to see the difference. Then he did all sorts of exercise. He got a group of kids with rice, putting it on the window every day the kids would come.

[00:49:52] Wow. You look so beautiful. Wow. You look so delicious. And then the same windows. So on the other side, [00:50:00] you are so ugly. I hate you and whatnot. And guess what? One that sent low thoughts of hate and anger get moldy much faster. So he did it all these exercise, he got the Shalum priests to go to one of the most what we call polluted water in a dam.

[00:50:24] They took the sample of water before they took the sample of water afterwards. They freeze it. They look at the water crystal. And you can see the difference. Again, the water in India, the gangy is one of the most polluted, certainly water in the world. When he take a sample, freeze it, the crystal, the beautiful water is so incredible under the microscope.

[00:50:55] I think about it. Okay. We're composed 70 to 86% water in our [00:51:00] body. What do you think about how you judge holding all the anger, whatever you just talk about? How can it not affect our body? That's why the word disease is actually two words. Did this ease of the body. We accumulate all this. No body because we're constantly judging.

[00:51:27] So by sending this loving metaphor, you're changing the whole metaphysical manifestation of your body, how you, how you stay healthy. That's the, that's the key, 

[00:51:41] Brian Beckcom: [00:51:41] that's it. That's a great way to put it Samy. And you know, you were talking about negative emotions and actually the Buddhist have a way of describing.

[00:51:52] The motion's not as negative and positive, but as skillful and unskillful, which I've always liked that formulation, but there's a good saying about unskillful [00:52:00] emotions or negativity or anger in particular, it's like holding a hot coal in your hand and expecting it to burn somebody else. Right. I mean, anger truly is like that.

[00:52:13] And you know, again, 10 years ago, a lot of this talk about.  how your mind influences the physical world and things like that would have seemed like nonsense to me, but I'm telling you, I'll put the science of meditation. That's got 2,500 years behind it against any of this new age. So-called science like meditation is.

[00:52:37] And I know you and I are talking about this a lot, but that's on purpose because I want people listening, anybody listening to this that hasn't tried meditation. I really, really want you to try it, try it for 10 days. Because it is so powerful and so profound. And I think that if everybody in the world started meditating for five minutes a day, the world would be [00:53:00] unrecognizably better.

[00:53:01] And so anyway, Samy, that that's, that's really awesome. And so I was,  writing down,   some notes here and one of the things Samy that I think we probably. Should talk about is during, during, during these times when people, I mean, literally there's all sorts of uncertainty. We have no idea, both from a health perspective, from an economic perspective, if we're employees, we, we're not probably sure about our jobs.

[00:53:30] If we're owners of businesses, we're not sure if we can keep our companies going, what would you tell people from a mindfulness perspective, what would be the first couple things that you would recommend that they do. To try to help make those maybe unskillful emotions, a little more skillful emotions.

[00:53:51] Samy Chong: [00:53:51] Got it. So your mind goes to direction most of the time when you have this 30 to [00:54:00] 50,000 bucks, the first direction as you bring the future to the present, which is always anxiety, the second direction that you've made you pick the path you bring to the present, that's always anger. So if I've stopped to talk to you about what my wonderful previous wife did 20 years ago, if I bring that all out to you, I can tell you by the end of the conversation, I'm going to be angry.

[00:54:22] If I take the future way back. When, when I was a single father talking about God, I just started this new career. How am I going to go? Nobody has done this before. When I bring the future to the present is always anxiety. So. First thing first, you have to begin to be aware of your thoughts. Are you.

[00:54:43] Bringing the future to the present. Well, bringing the past to the present, and that has an emotional sensation in your body. You feel it that's actually a, you read heavier, there's a weight to it. The minute you realize you're going down, the [00:55:00] rabbit Hill rep rabbit hole of that negative emotion. The first thing I looked in to do now is Samy poss breathe.

[00:55:12] That emotion in your body only lasts between five and maybe 12 seconds just observe and let it pass. Once you do that, then you're not reacting. You are now begin to learn to respond. So that's the, it's almost like the first basic gut to get, to be aware of the emotion. Being comfortable not doing anything, but to observe it.

[00:55:41] That's the first one. The second one is from here. When emotion is not reacting, you can respond. So not sure about what's going on in the market place about the future. This is where you can now start to have some [00:56:00] dialogue. If you're running a firm with your key staff to say, What's the good out events.

[00:56:05] What's the bad. And how can we gain some sort of what I call opportunity out of it. Remember, during depression, people make money by selling 5 cents coffee people make money by selling books. I can see other people now thinking of. Specialty guard. Like there's many different ways to move forward once you

[00:56:29] What is your purpose? What is your passion? What is it that you love to do? Because it ties into. What the next chapter of your life is. So when you are not reacting, you can start to have different conversation with people to go. What do you see? Do you remember what I put the exercise? What is the greatest need of our world?

[00:56:52] If it's law firm, maybe we need to shift. Maybe we need to look at how else we use social media to get more people in [00:57:00] different law, from different soap. Yeah, here's how I can bottom line it. The answer is always near you. Once you stay in the presence. In fact, God's answer to your prayers is in the present.

[00:57:20] If you believe in God or believe in love, but when your mind is always awesome, lady. Anxiety or anger. You cannot find it. It's like, even if it's in front of you, that's why calming yourself. Once you come look at what you love to do, how does that fit into where it is at? You can have conversation and that's where coincidence and synchronicity will start to happen.

[00:57:48] You might hear a podcast, you might hear an idea. That's how things begin to happen. Bear in mind. Your vision has to be clear of what money do you want to make? What kind of like the minute [00:58:00] your vision is clear, what you are seeking. It's already seeking you. Aye. I knew restaurant business. Wasn't it. I didn't know what it was, but I knew I had the capacity to do something greater.

[00:58:14] I just release it. I let that go. Now, is that scary? Absolutely scary. As a single father, starting a new career. That's my point. 

[00:58:23] Brian Beckcom: [00:58:23] Family. There's another, probably some people, and this is kind of what I was like. I don't have enough time to meditate. I just don't have enough time in the day. And there's a great saying about that.

[00:58:34] And I don't know who said it wasn't me, but if you don't have five minutes to meditate, you need to meditate for 30 minutes a day. Right? Well, you know, in Samy. So, and I know we're talking a lot about this, but again, I think it's very important, especially now. And here are some of the things that I've experienced with meditation that are like real practical, positive changes.

[00:58:59] And so [00:59:00] for instance, a lot of us have had the experience where we're driving our car, like you were talking about, and there's somebody in front of us is driving like an idiot. Either they're driving too slow or they got their blinker on for too long or. They don't know how to drive and we've all had that experience.

[00:59:15] And a lot of us probably me included have gotten angry about that and thought, you know, this person is such an idiot. What a dumb person, this person there must be something wrong with them. Well, I haven't done that in five years. And the reason is, is because now the first thought that comes to my mind is I wonder if that's an elderly person.

[00:59:37] I wonder if that's a person with some.  but maybe they have some problems if they're not able to drive quite as well as others. And so, you know, that doesn't mean I'm like some sort of great person or special person or anything like that. It's through meditation that I was able to reframe the way I thought about that situation.

[00:59:56] And so a lot of us have situations where [01:00:00] we don't even think at all. We just react. There's a trigger bad driver, and there's a response anger. And we don't even think about it. It's just, it just comes naturally. And I would, I would claim that if you, I have too much of that, like in other words, if, if you lead your life where a trigger happens and you just respond without thinking that you're, you're not a conscious agent anymore, you, you are a programmed agent.

[01:00:29] You're being programmed by your environment to react in ways. That you don't really control. And so I, so that's a practical example of how meditation has helped me with, with, you know, any kind of road rage, the other way. It's very hard to stay angry for a long period of time, because one of the things you can do when you meditate, because you can, like, let's say you're mad about something and you go in and meditate.

[01:00:53] You can sit there. And I ask yourself during your meditation, what is anger? What is [01:01:00] actually happening right now? Like, what am I experiencing? And what I found as I experienced physical sensations, I experienced some feeling in my, my stomach or my belly. I experienced tenseness, particularly in my hands and forearms, sometimes my neck.

[01:01:17] And then once you realize what it is, you can relax those sensations, both those physical and mental sensations. And you can you realize that anger is essentially powerless one once you've identified it as I it's the same thing with anxiety, you can say, if you're anxious about something, you can sit down and meditate and say, okay, I'm anxious about my job.

[01:01:39] And what does that actually mean? What's actually happening to me right now. And then you scan your body might find out that you have some tightness. You might find out that. There are certain thoughts that keep repeating themselves again and again and again, and the magic or one of the magic parts of meditation is once you [01:02:00] realize that you're having these mental loops, they just absolutely collapse.

[01:02:04] Like once you recognize they're there, that they lose all of their power. And so talk a little bit about Samy. If you don't mind, how you would utilize a mindfulness practice or a meditation practice. Specifically to help with the kind of worries that people are having right now during the pandemic. 

[01:02:26] Samy Chong: [01:02:26] So if I know that there's a challenging circumstances, that's coming up, or if I know my date is full beyond full, I don't know how plot plow through it.

[01:02:38] One of my ritual in the morning is slide down. And Ashley seeing my day go smooth three. I see that when I drive it will, the parking spot will be there. I see, I see that the conversation that I need to have will be easy and whatnot. Remember the power of intentions [01:03:00] I prepaid my mind. I know that right now it's a busy day.

[01:03:08] What and how the day would go. I see the lights that I'm driving is going to be green, very few red lights. So I pre paved the way. So there are people on this call perhaps are struggling with their business, are struggling with it is at this moment release that struggle, which is through quiet of the mind and into vision.

[01:03:31] What do you see? What do you vision? Because without that vision, all you're doing is sending worry signals to the universe, nothing wrong with it. That's why worry is praying for things that you don't want. How do you change that font at the moment where you realize it's going to the negative, whatever space it is?

[01:03:59] I [01:04:00] followed this man who wrote the book called the infinite game by Simon Sinek. One of the story he tells was very powerful. One of the why, obviously, okay. The people that work in the Marine is to fight them. Gamla Stan and so on and so forth. They were commissioned to go into a fight, but they knew it was a suicide mission.

[01:04:27] He was not coming back. So the gunner asked a helicopter pilot. He says, should we go

[01:04:38] the senior officer was that the pilot says, you know what? This is our purpose. This is what we sign up for. Of course they know that there's a possibility that we're going stick at kids, the family, whatever. Again. The power of that purpose. Why are we doing what we're doing? This is what we sign up for is allowing [01:05:00] them to cross that fear.

[01:05:03] Now the mission didn't happen. The mission was scrubbed. My point to you is I'm bringing back to all of you on this call to have those fields that are real because those fields are very real. Just like the field. When I knew down beside my wife, It was during Christmas, the snow was falling. I had to cry jet me not to wake her up.

[01:05:25] Remember, if you look back at your life, you've been through some challenges that you thought you will never going to get through. Yeah. The high school exam, or it could be you did something. So something that you thought your parents are going to beat the living daylights out of it. I don't care what it is.

[01:05:46] If you look back at your life, some of the most challenging moment, you're still sitting here talking, listening about this podcast [01:06:00] 10 years from now, 15 years from now. If you and I are sitting in a rocking chair, we're going to look back and go. That was some shit we went through. I'm saying to you the only antidote to walk through this.

[01:06:15] Stay in the present with all the moments are where all the w all the answers are. Having a gratitude journal. Like what you talk about is making sure that you are thankful and always want to have a powerful vision that, you know, you're about to go into the rabbit hole to say, you know what, thanks for reminding me of what if, what if, what if here is the vision that I want to see here is the vision that I want to live my life, because that's what I deserve.

[01:06:44] That's dope moving through this, but you know, that we're all going through 

[01:06:51] Brian Beckcom: [01:06:51] and, you know, Samy, I would tell people, you know, when I look back on my 47 years about some of the [01:07:00] highlights of my life, some of the, at the time, some of the worst things that happened to me, some of the things that I thought were just terrible.

[01:07:07] It turned out to be some of the best things that ever happened to me. So for instance, when I worked at a big law firm coming out of law school, I was there for two years. And then I went and tried to apply for a job,  at a firm where I thought I was a shoe in, because I knew a couple of that main dudes there that were making the hiring decisions.

[01:07:25] And it was a growing firm. And I thought, I thought it was a lock and I didn't get the job. And I remember coming home that night and laying on the couch and cry. And it's the last time I remember actually. Crying, other than out of joy when my kids were born, but cry, crying out of sadness, and I've literally laid on the couch and cried for an hour.

[01:07:44] Didn't get the job and thank God I didn't because. You know, 20 years after the fact I've had the best partner you could possibly have. We run a firm for 15 years,  and we're, and we're going strong. So, so that turned out to be a great thing. And I, I know people can think [01:08:00] about in their own lives, all sorts of instances where you didn't get exactly what you wanted or you failed at what you were trying to do.

[01:08:08] And at the time it seemed awful. But looking back, it turned out to be great. And that right now we're going to have a lot of people that are going to be going through exactly that. So you may lose your job right now. There's a good chance. If you're listening to this, you could lose your job. There's a good chance if you're listening to this and you're a business owner, your business might go out of business.

[01:08:29] Guess what? That might end up turning out to be a wonderful thing. You might, it might be time to change careers. It might be time to look at a different business. So. I'm actually working on an article right now on the subject. The title of the article is I hope you fail because the point of the article is those failures often turn out to be like the things we think we want.

[01:08:55] Aren't really what we want. And those failures kind of teach us. [01:09:00] This is not really your path. You have a different path. So talk about that a little bit. If you don't mind, Sandy. 

[01:09:05] Samy Chong: [01:09:05] So one of the things I say to people doing this pandemic is as follow dealing, how to deal with your fear, how to deal with your, the changes.

[01:09:17] Yes. Easy for you and I to talk about it because we walked through some of what I call the Valley of death. For some other people is not easy. If you told me my divorce was good for me while I was going through it, I'd take a gun and shoot you. Yeah. But I now know that I had to go through that to get to where I'm at.

[01:09:40] So understand that everything that you're going through as painful as difficult it is, it's actually for your highest good. So part of it is how do you stay grounded and not [01:10:00] loses that? What I call anchor that's really the key Alvin Toffler, the futurist who write the book back in the eighties and nineties says we have to learn unlearn and relearn because if you look at my son's career, You and I probably have about two career, maybe three careers.

[01:10:22] My son's probably going to have at least 1520, maybe 30 career because things are moving so quick. So here's the bottom line. If you can't adapt. If you don't learn to let go and surrender. If you don't use your power for trillion dollar mind, which is what this is excite from you saying, just turning on, turning off, living a life of unconscious.

[01:10:48] These pains are going to be even more real for you, but here's what I do know. If your vision is clear, what you really, really, really want. If you write it out, anybody live, how what's your [01:11:00] purpose versus to get there? I know despite all this, a world is going to honor, whatever it is that you, because I've lived a life of that.

[01:11:11] I live from the place that I never had, what I have today. All because of the vision, all because of the passion I'm following or because I live a purposeful life that much I can tell you. So stay the course. Meditation is part of it. Other ways of ground yourself, the many different ways, make sure that you are able to not go down to deep ed.

[01:11:36] So that's a big part of the invitation for you to do. 

[01:11:39] Brian Beckcom: [01:11:39] Yeah. And you don't understand me. I would go, I would even go so far as to say. You know, my mother's death ended up. I don't want to say it was a positive experience, but, but had that not happened, I probably don't become a plaintiff's trial lawyer. I probably don't go to law school.

[01:11:58] I probably don't meet my [01:12:00] wife. I probably don't have my three children. I probably don't have the life I have right now. I for sure don't have the law partner I have right now, probably not living in Houston. I mean, my life would be. Massively different. And so I, you know, not, not to say that it's a positive thing, but even the worst things you can possibly imagine often turn out in the long run to be either.

[01:12:24] Okay. Or you end up. You know, and even a better situation. So Samy I've I've, we, we set aside an hour for the call and we've been going a lot longer than that, but, but I think this is just this, these kinds of discussions are just so important right now for everybody. And so I'm aware of your time. I want to throw out a couple recommendations to people.

[01:12:48] So when I first started meditating, I used an app called Headspace, which is kind of an introduction to meditation. I now have. Two different apps. One is called waking up. And if anybody [01:13:00] wants to email or call me, I will send you a free month of wake waking to the waking up app. And then I also have a timer called insight timer where you can set different distances and ambient sounds and there's other meditation.

[01:13:10] So. Headspace waking up and the insight timer or three recommendations I would have for people for if they're interested in meditation, also the book 10% happier by Dan Harris. What recommendations would you have for resources that people could look to to help them be more mindful, or if they're interested in getting into meditation,  how to get into meditation, what, what would you recommend people look at?

[01:13:37] Samy Chong: [01:13:37] So the first thing you already share with the group that is don't set yourself up for failure. Don't meditate for half an hour. You're not able to do start with one minute, stop with two minutes. It's the minute you get up, 

[01:13:51] Brian Beckcom: [01:13:51] which by the way, which, by the way, Samy, when I first started. I was doing five minutes and it seemed like an eternity.

[01:14:01] [01:14:00] Samy Chong: [01:14:01] So set yourself up for success. Be gentle with yourself. Number one, number two, my spiritual master is the late Dr. Wayne Dyer. His books has helped me immensely in my spiritual path, in my growth and whatnot. So dr. Wayne Dyer, you can use to, you can basically manifesting your desire. All the books, but he has, it really allowed you to get a sense of what this path that we are inviting you to.

[01:14:32] Number two, number three, I can give you all sorts of different experience that I go through. Just use Google. How do I meditate and find one modality that honors you, because you have to find your way. I can share you the way I gave you Dr. Wayne Dyer, which I love the power of now is another brilliant book.

[01:14:55] But you have to find your own way. I think on the call today, [01:15:00] you. Yeah, the power of his meditation, helping you move your personal life forward. I think that's 

[01:15:10] Brian Beckcom: [01:15:10] thank you, Samy. That's that's awesome. I've kept you for longer than a, than I said I would. And so I appreciate you sticking with us for a little bit.

[01:15:19] Last question I have for you, Samy, where if people wanted to find the people wanted to ask you questions, reach out to you where on the internet or elsewhere can they find 

[01:15:26] Samy Chong: [01:15:26] you? The easiest is probably Samy Chung with one M S a M Y C H O N g@rogers.com.  R O G E R s.com. Corporate philosophy,  think is probably my,  web address.

[01:15:44] Or you can text me or call me at (416) 340-7281 four. I love to answer these questions because these type of conversation. I know it's one of the need of our world because we're [01:16:00] looking for something above and beyond how we live our life anymore. That's the key. So these are all passionate conversation.

[01:16:08] I'd love to have with you. 

[01:16:09] Brian Beckcom: [01:16:09] Awesome. Awesome. Well, Samy, I actually think we have a personal call set up here pretty soon, but thank you for your time. And,  I'm working on my homework assignments. You gave me during our last call. So anyway, take care, buddy. Thank 

[01:16:24] Samy Chong: [01:16:24] you. Thank you for allowing me to be able to join your podcast.